November 28th, 2007 Meeting Summary
-- see also the
October 24, 2007 meeting summary
Greg Helland, FOMP President, SODA representative
Pearson Cummings – Enterprise group in KC Parks
Anne Lipe – KC Parks; K.K. Soi Project Manager, Marymoor Connector
Jenny Bailey, Parametrics (consultants working on the Connector Trail)
Herb Bone, FOMP Board, Marymoor R/C Club representative
Christine Merton, FOMP Board, Marymoor Community Gardeners Association
Jack MacKinnon, Marymoor Community Gardeners Association
Steve Isaac, Marymoor Rowing Association representative
Stewart Konzen, friend of the park
Michael Hobbs, FOMP Secretary, East Lake Washington Audubon representative.
2) Connector Trail - K.K. Soi:
The trail is currently in the design development phase. Last week they
met with Parks to discuss status. The team have submitted various permits
already, with others to be submitted on December 5th.
The trail alignment has been all-but-finalized. At the east end, cost
considerations and permitting considerations resulted in a choice of a short
boardwalk. This causes the trail alignment to conflict somewhat with the
model airplane field . Cost for the boardwalk is around $1000-1200 per
linear foot. K.K. Soi proposed some mitigation along the lines of placing
poles or trees (at least psychologically) protecting the trail from errant
airplanes. Herb was skeptical that a true safety barrier could be
constructed, but trees and/or poles with banners would indicate to fliers to
stay away. Herb also proposed billboard style signs, perhaps attached to the
boardwalk – alternating red and white squares in a 2x4 checkerboard.
Three alignments of the boardwalk were investigated. The shortest and
southernmost is currently planned. The middle alignment is 60 feet longer,
and the northernmost alignment is 180 feet longer than the southernmost.
In terms of mitigating the conflict, one possibility is to rotate the
runway by 8-12 degrees. An 8 degree angle shift would require about 9000
feet of new runway area, which might require some fill. A 12 degree rotation
would require 14400 square feet. Rotation considerations would also need to
look at the effect on the west end of the flight zone. If fill is required,
that would probably lead to additional wetland delineation work, and
possibly expensive permitting. A 5-degree shift should also be considered.
Changing away from the southernmost alignment would cost ~$60,000 in
additional construction cost, but repermitting delays would prevent 2008
construction. So the decision is that mitigation rather than realignment is
how they will proceed.
Site construction might begin in August 2008.
3) Clise Mansion Electrical Upgrade
Fire alarm system will be upgraded along with lighting. Adding a security
system is under consideration (anti-vandalism). Project will hopefully be
4) Ballfields 1-2 Multi-use Project
This is putting synthetic turf onto these fields. It will be done as a
multi-use field, which can be configured either as two ballfields or two
Michael did point out that migratory, tundra-nesting geese (mostly
Cackling Geese and Canada Geese, with occasional Greater White-fronted, and
even Snow Geese) use the mowed fields for forage in the winter.
Conversion of too many of Marymoor's fields would eliminate this winter
5) SRA Rowing Club Building - Steve Isaac:
Steve presented their latest siting plan for the new rowing club building
replacing the old one in Marymoor West. The new building, whose
footprint is significantly (~2.5x) larger than the old one, would sit
on the upstream (south) side of the access road about 125 feet further
inland than the current building.
A new paved apron would be built on the riverside end of the boathouse
with a paved roadway connecting the new apron to the pad from the existing
building. Since the new paved apron would connect to the access road,
the new apron, connecting roadway, old pad, and old apron combine to form a
turn-around suitable for fire equipment.
The siting would preserve a large clump of cottonwoods that are located
between the old and new building sites, but would about a dozen Oregon Ash
trees as well as a couple of large, old plum trees that probably date back
to the days when this area had farm houses.
The new building site lies about 5 feet lower than the access road; fill
would be brought in to raise the foundation above the access road level.
Fire officials would require the widening of the access road from about
50 feet before the new boathouse all the way to the existing paved apron.
The existing boathouse building would be removed following construction,
but its pad would remain as indicated above.
A fuel tank would be placed approximately where the existing fuel storage
shed is located, on the river side of the old apron. Steve indicated
that a shed might be built to hold their motorized launches (coaching boats)
somewhere closer to the water than the new building. That's not
been decided. The new boathouse was designed to have room for the
Michael expressed disfavor with the siting. There is an open field
on the downstream (north) side of the access road where essentially no trees
would need to be removed. The proposed siting is very close to a
seasonal pond and is entirely on top of an area that was recently (2005?)
planted as part of wetland restoration activities.
Steve acknowledged that there would be significant mitigation work
required because the proposed site lies inside wetland buffer.
6) King County Parks Legacy Fund – Pearson Cummings
Enterprise Group tries to generate revenue on the order of 25% of
Maintenance & Operations costs of the park system. Going beyond commercial
partnerships, they are now turning to private donations. This would be done
through the 501.c.3 Northwest Parks Foundation. They are looking to both
corporate and individual fundraising. Donations cannot be earmarked to a
particular park at this time. Money goes to M&O for the park system as a
whole. There was definite feedback that designating funds should go to a
particular park was desired.
Christine requested getting the fund listed on the state employees annual
giving program (and for county employees).
There was discussion of memorial benches and plaques, which are mentioned
in the Legacy brochure. Greg remembered that there had previously been
discussion at FOMP that memorial benches etc., if proliferated in the park,
could make it look like a cemetery. Pearson said that benches in Marymoor
are currently being discouraged. Memorial trees, maybe with memorial tags,
would be fine, though.
Steve Isaac proposed integrating named paving stones as part of the
Marymoor Connector Trail
Michael mentioned that a juvenile Tundra Swan has been hanging out in the
slough. This was a new bird for the park list, which now stands at 201
species since 1994. For more information
about birding at Marymoor, see
http://www.marymoor.org/birding.htm and check out the
meeting, Wednesday, January 23, 2008.
These notes were made by
Michael Hobbs, and they do not constitute an official record of the
meeting. They may have inaccuracies and omissions. If anyone has any
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